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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Glider,&#8221; named by the children of Redland Elementary School, Killed by the State</title>
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	<description>In Defense of Columbia River Sea Lions</description>
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		<title>By: Kim Matic</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Matic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is appalling how we can justify killing animals in the name of another living creature that we ourselves are killing off with damns.  This is greed, and I am ashamed of our government systems. I am in fear for our world and I am deeply saddened by the greed that clouds our thinking and allows us to murder innocent animals in the name of money. I will pray for a better world and a better people, as we are the only hope our world has. I pray that each of you that read about the sea lions and understand that it is their God given natural instinct to eat salmon.  WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO KILL GODS LIVING CREATURE FOR DOING WHAT GOD PLANNED FOR THEM TO DO. WHAT ARE WE THINKING??? OR ARE WE THINKING?? PLEASE RETHINK WHAT YOUR JUSTIFICATION REALLY IS FOR KILLING AN ANIMAL THAT MEANS US ABSOLUTELY NO HARM WHATSOEVER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is appalling how we can justify killing animals in the name of another living creature that we ourselves are killing off with damns.  This is greed, and I am ashamed of our government systems. I am in fear for our world and I am deeply saddened by the greed that clouds our thinking and allows us to murder innocent animals in the name of money. I will pray for a better world and a better people, as we are the only hope our world has. I pray that each of you that read about the sea lions and understand that it is their God given natural instinct to eat salmon.  WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO KILL GODS LIVING CREATURE FOR DOING WHAT GOD PLANNED FOR THEM TO DO. WHAT ARE WE THINKING??? OR ARE WE THINKING?? PLEASE RETHINK WHAT YOUR JUSTIFICATION REALLY IS FOR KILLING AN ANIMAL THAT MEANS US ABSOLUTELY NO HARM WHATSOEVER.</p>
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		<title>By: SLDB</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>SLDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trapping has moved full scale to Astoria now. As the sea lions have moved away from Bonneville dam for the year, officials are now concentrating on trying to kill as many as possible in Astoria, where the animals are congregating in preparation for traveling down to their breeding grounds for the year. The trapping at the dam has ended. As of the last ACoE report, sea lions stand accused of eating 2277 Chinook salmon at the dam, and so they are being killed. Compare this to the 21,000+ Chinook who were killed by fishermen so far this year, and you can appreciate the irony. 

Monitors in Astoria are encouraged to stay alert. Please let the tourists know what is happening to the beautiful animals whom they are bringing their children to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trapping has moved full scale to Astoria now. As the sea lions have moved away from Bonneville dam for the year, officials are now concentrating on trying to kill as many as possible in Astoria, where the animals are congregating in preparation for traveling down to their breeding grounds for the year. The trapping at the dam has ended. As of the last ACoE report, sea lions stand accused of eating 2277 Chinook salmon at the dam, and so they are being killed. Compare this to the 21,000+ Chinook who were killed by fishermen so far this year, and you can appreciate the irony. </p>
<p>Monitors in Astoria are encouraged to stay alert. Please let the tourists know what is happening to the beautiful animals whom they are bringing their children to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know one of the students in the 5th grade class who gave this animal its name. The kids who know about this are devastated. I just thought you should know. I hope that the ODFW is proud of what they have done. I hope that they read this site and know that the public does not support them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know one of the students in the 5th grade class who gave this animal its name. The kids who know about this are devastated. I just thought you should know. I hope that the ODFW is proud of what they have done. I hope that they read this site and know that the public does not support them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Frances</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great information.  So amazing. And I see what you are talking about, how the nutrients are brought inland by the salmon, and that feeds birds, and enriches the soil and creates the forests, on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great information.  So amazing. And I see what you are talking about, how the nutrients are brought inland by the salmon, and that feeds birds, and enriches the soil and creates the forests, on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: Tia</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Tia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in 5th grade and I love the sea lions and I think the people who killed these sea lions should go to jail. It is against the law to kill sea lions and anyway it is stupid to do that. And it is mean. And people who say that sea lions should not eat salmon need to go to school because that is a stupid thing to say because sea lions eat fish and that is what they are supposed to eat and it is wrong to kill them for eating what God put them on this earth to eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in 5th grade and I love the sea lions and I think the people who killed these sea lions should go to jail. It is against the law to kill sea lions and anyway it is stupid to do that. And it is mean. And people who say that sea lions should not eat salmon need to go to school because that is a stupid thing to say because sea lions eat fish and that is what they are supposed to eat and it is wrong to kill them for eating what God put them on this earth to eat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Frances</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am trying to learn the whole story for these sea lions being killed.  Do you know what months they come to Bonneville Dam?  I am very much against any killing of these animals and work on anti-hunting subjects.  When I try to find out more about them on the web, I just get the same story of them eating salmon, not where they migrate to and when.

&lt;strong&gt;[Editor&#039;s Note: Thank you for your interest! The sea lions tend to come to the dam in the spring, when the salmon come up river. They have done this for thousands of years -- before there was a dam, there was Celilo falls, and the sea lions and other predators would gather there with the salmon. They come in early spring, and at about this time of the year, they begin leaving the dam. (They would ordinarily be staying for a little longer, but for whatever reason, the fish run has not materialized as the ODFW predicted - probably because more than twenty thousand fish were killed by anglers downriver in the first days of the run, and because untold numbers were killed by fishermen in the oceans before they reached the river. Since the salmon have not come, the sea lions are leaving the dam early.) They usually gather for awhile at the mouth of the river, which they are doing now, and then they head down to their summer breeding grounds in Southern California. 

Historically, the sea lions would often stay on the river year round, but they were nearly exterminated by fishermen and hunters, and are only now beginning to return. So we do not usually see them on the river other than in the spring, but they could begin to show up at other times, since that is historically what they did. Last year, one of the sea lions was seen at the dam in the fall, but that animal, sadly, has been killed. He was one of the first to be killed in this misguided program. He will be greatly missed.

You are right that it can be difficult to find out about these animals without the bizarre, territorial twist that some of the ODFW literature, for example, puts out. In fact, sea lions do eat salmon and other fish. As predators, they have an important role in the maintenance of a healthy balance in our ecosystem, and it is very strange and disquieting to see people trying to stigmatize them over that. In fact, that is an issue with a great many predators -- people see themselves in competition with the rest of the planet and often the predators are the first to go. This *always* has negative consequences for the entire ecosystem, and it is a shameful thing to see ODFW and WDFW repeating the same, predictable errors yet again. A good resource on this pattern is the group Predator Defense. See their website here: http://www.predatordefense.org/.

At one time, there were many other predators on the river as well as sea lions, all of whom looked forward to the returns of the great salmon runs every year. The salmon would go out to the ocean and gather biomass, and then bring that biomass surging back into the river each year. They evolved a run strategy to &quot;swamp&quot; predators -- meaning that so many would come upstream that predators would eat some, but others would go on to spawn the next generation. The role of the predators -- including bears, sea lions, seals, lynx, foxes, weasels, coyotes, and many others -- was a complex one. In part, they helped to make the salmon species stronger by preying on the weak, the slow, and the less creative among them. But aside from their evolutionary role, they also helped to feed and strengthen the entire ecosystem, by releasing some of the biomass that had been gathered by the fish. When they would feed, they would nourish themselves, but then countless other organisms would also be fed -- studies have shown that the salmon, through the help of predators, fed the entire ecosystem from the river all the way up into the forests on the mountains all over Cascadia.

You can see that today with the sea lions. When they eat a salmon, you will see sea gulls and other birds gathering around the spot. The sea lion eats as much of the fish as it can. But there are always bits of fish that get scattered to the birds, who would not otherwise be able to catch a fish on their own. Under the water, the same thing is happening with tiny fish and other organisms, who are feeding on the fish. Those animals then carry that biomass off, and some of it goes to feed their young, some of it is deposited as scat on the forest floor, where it is digested and scattered by yet more organisms, until it becomes the very soil that nourishes the great forests that once covered this entire region. 

So predators do, indeed, serve a very important role and it is dangerously short sighted when officials fail to recognize that and imagine that they are doing the ecosystem a favor by &quot;managing&quot; away predators. 

Most of the predators who were native to this region have been killed off by humans in the past century or so. At the same time that humans killed off native predators, we also killed most of the salmon. Sea lions and salmon co-existed on the Columbia throughout history, with the salmon nevertheless numbering in the tens of millions during most of that time. Now, however, in just over a century, humans have managed to bring the number of salmon plummeting down to less than 1% of their original numbers. It&#039;s very sad to see people blaming sea lions, when the sea lions were not even here on the river during much of the time that the salmon were disappearing, since the sea lions, too, were being exterminated from the river during most of that time. They are only now beginning to return, since the passage of the Marine Mammal Protection Act in 1972 made it illegal to kill them. If that act had also made it illegal to kill salmon, we would be seeing the salmon doing much better than they are. It is not sea lions who have led to the decline of salmon, it is us. 

In any event, if you want to see the sea lions at the dam, the best time is from about March through May. There are two species of sea lions up there -- the California sea lions and the Steller sea lions. The ones being killed by the ODFW right now are California sea lions, though the ODFW has been making noises about seeking permission to kill Steller sea lions if and when they are ever de-listed (right now they are listed as threatened under the Endangered Species Act). 

If you would like more information, please feel free to write to us at info@sealiondefensebrigade.org. You can also see our &quot;myths and facts&quot; page by clicking on the link above. Thanks again for your interest in the native wildlife of our region.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am trying to learn the whole story for these sea lions being killed.  Do you know what months they come to Bonneville Dam?  I am very much against any killing of these animals and work on anti-hunting subjects.  When I try to find out more about them on the web, I just get the same story of them eating salmon, not where they migrate to and when.</p>
<p><strong>[Editor's Note: Thank you for your interest! The sea lions tend to come to the dam in the spring, when the salmon come up river. They have done this for thousands of years -- before there was a dam, there was Celilo falls, and the sea lions and other predators would gather there with the salmon. They come in early spring, and at about this time of the year, they begin leaving the dam. (They would ordinarily be staying for a little longer, but for whatever reason, the fish run has not materialized as the ODFW predicted - probably because more than twenty thousand fish were killed by anglers downriver in the first days of the run, and because untold numbers were killed by fishermen in the oceans before they reached the river. Since the salmon have not come, the sea lions are leaving the dam early.) They usually gather for awhile at the mouth of the river, which they are doing now, and then they head down to their summer breeding grounds in Southern California. </p>
<p>Historically, the sea lions would often stay on the river year round, but they were nearly exterminated by fishermen and hunters, and are only now beginning to return. So we do not usually see them on the river other than in the spring, but they could begin to show up at other times, since that is historically what they did. Last year, one of the sea lions was seen at the dam in the fall, but that animal, sadly, has been killed. He was one of the first to be killed in this misguided program. He will be greatly missed.</p>
<p>You are right that it can be difficult to find out about these animals without the bizarre, territorial twist that some of the ODFW literature, for example, puts out. In fact, sea lions do eat salmon and other fish. As predators, they have an important role in the maintenance of a healthy balance in our ecosystem, and it is very strange and disquieting to see people trying to stigmatize them over that. In fact, that is an issue with a great many predators -- people see themselves in competition with the rest of the planet and often the predators are the first to go. This *always* has negative consequences for the entire ecosystem, and it is a shameful thing to see ODFW and WDFW repeating the same, predictable errors yet again. A good resource on this pattern is the group Predator Defense. See their website here: <a href="http://www.predatordefense.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.predatordefense.org/</a>.</p>
<p>At one time, there were many other predators on the river as well as sea lions, all of whom looked forward to the returns of the great salmon runs every year. The salmon would go out to the ocean and gather biomass, and then bring that biomass surging back into the river each year. They evolved a run strategy to "swamp" predators -- meaning that so many would come upstream that predators would eat some, but others would go on to spawn the next generation. The role of the predators -- including bears, sea lions, seals, lynx, foxes, weasels, coyotes, and many others -- was a complex one. In part, they helped to make the salmon species stronger by preying on the weak, the slow, and the less creative among them. But aside from their evolutionary role, they also helped to feed and strengthen the entire ecosystem, by releasing some of the biomass that had been gathered by the fish. When they would feed, they would nourish themselves, but then countless other organisms would also be fed -- studies have shown that the salmon, through the help of predators, fed the entire ecosystem from the river all the way up into the forests on the mountains all over Cascadia.</p>
<p>You can see that today with the sea lions. When they eat a salmon, you will see sea gulls and other birds gathering around the spot. The sea lion eats as much of the fish as it can. But there are always bits of fish that get scattered to the birds, who would not otherwise be able to catch a fish on their own. Under the water, the same thing is happening with tiny fish and other organisms, who are feeding on the fish. Those animals then carry that biomass off, and some of it goes to feed their young, some of it is deposited as scat on the forest floor, where it is digested and scattered by yet more organisms, until it becomes the very soil that nourishes the great forests that once covered this entire region. </p>
<p>So predators do, indeed, serve a very important role and it is dangerously short sighted when officials fail to recognize that and imagine that they are doing the ecosystem a favor by "managing" away predators. </p>
<p>Most of the predators who were native to this region have been killed off by humans in the past century or so. At the same time that humans killed off native predators, we also killed most of the salmon. Sea lions and salmon co-existed on the Columbia throughout history, with the salmon nevertheless numbering in the tens of millions during most of that time. Now, however, in just over a century, humans have managed to bring the number of salmon plummeting down to less than 1% of their original numbers. It's very sad to see people blaming sea lions, when the sea lions were not even here on the river during much of the time that the salmon were disappearing, since the sea lions, too, were being exterminated from the river during most of that time. They are only now beginning to return, since the passage of the Marine Mammal Protection Act in 1972 made it illegal to kill them. If that act had also made it illegal to kill salmon, we would be seeing the salmon doing much better than they are. It is not sea lions who have led to the decline of salmon, it is us. </p>
<p>In any event, if you want to see the sea lions at the dam, the best time is from about March through May. There are two species of sea lions up there -- the California sea lions and the Steller sea lions. The ones being killed by the ODFW right now are California sea lions, though the ODFW has been making noises about seeking permission to kill Steller sea lions if and when they are ever de-listed (right now they are listed as threatened under the Endangered Species Act). </p>
<p>If you would like more information, please feel free to write to us at <a href="mailto:info@sealiondefensebrigade.org">info@sealiondefensebrigade.org</a>. You can also see our "myths and facts" page by clicking on the link above. Thanks again for your interest in the native wildlife of our region.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, to be sure the problem is not sea lions. I think it&#039;s time to replace those people who made this nonsensical decision with people who actually know what they&#039;re doing. Or at the very least, people with enough respect for the ecosystem and the wildlife around us that they don&#039;t pretend that their heavy handed meddling will help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, to be sure the problem is not sea lions. I think it&#8217;s time to replace those people who made this nonsensical decision with people who actually know what they&#8217;re doing. Or at the very least, people with enough respect for the ecosystem and the wildlife around us that they don&#8217;t pretend that their heavy handed meddling will help.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 02:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve lived on the Columbia for many years. I can tell you exactly what is killing the salmon off, and it&#039;s not sea lions. 

I see the drum boats come out every season, and then the fishing is over. You think they&#039;re fishing in a sustainable manner? Ha. 

Anyone who lives out there knows what the problem is. And anyone who blames sea lions is in it for themselves. Notice how it&#039;s only people whose financial interests are tied to the &quot;right&quot; to kill fish or the &quot;right&quot; to destroy salmon habitat who are trying to scapegoat sea lions. The rest of us know who is to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived on the Columbia for many years. I can tell you exactly what is killing the salmon off, and it&#8217;s not sea lions. </p>
<p>I see the drum boats come out every season, and then the fishing is over. You think they&#8217;re fishing in a sustainable manner? Ha. </p>
<p>Anyone who lives out there knows what the problem is. And anyone who blames sea lions is in it for themselves. Notice how it&#8217;s only people whose financial interests are tied to the &#8220;right&#8221; to kill fish or the &#8220;right&#8221; to destroy salmon habitat who are trying to scapegoat sea lions. The rest of us know who is to blame.</p>
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		<title>By: Malheur</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Malheur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 16:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we stop this? 

This is outrageous. They&#039;re killing sea lions adopted by school children. Good God. 

And for what? So that we can pretend it&#039;s all right to keep on gill netting on the Columbia. So that we can pretend we haven&#039;t over-fished and killed off every fish species on earth. 

Good God. 

Shame on the Army Corps of Engineers for starting this, shame on the ODFW for carrying out these killings. Shame on us all for killing sea lions, adopted by children no less, for nothing.</description>
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<p>This is outrageous. They&#8217;re killing sea lions adopted by school children. Good God. </p>
<p>And for what? So that we can pretend it&#8217;s all right to keep on gill netting on the Columbia. So that we can pretend we haven&#8217;t over-fished and killed off every fish species on earth. </p>
<p>Good God. </p>
<p>Shame on the Army Corps of Engineers for starting this, shame on the ODFW for carrying out these killings. Shame on us all for killing sea lions, adopted by children no less, for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayla.</title>
		<link>http://sealiondefensebrigade.org/?p=449&#038;cpage=1#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayla.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 22:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a student too and I think what they did to those poor sea lions is awful. It makes me want to cry. 

I hate the people who killed those sea lions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a student too and I think what they did to those poor sea lions is awful. It makes me want to cry. </p>
<p>I hate the people who killed those sea lions.</p>
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